This is a popular question that usually arises when having some type of religious or philosophical discussion with people. There are a number of different ways people approach this question, but today I thought about an interesting perspective so I figured I would share it.
Some people say that in order for us to be here right now as people and in order for the universe to exist there had to be some type of creator. And if in fact there was a creator who created everything in the universe, he too would have to have been created. Because of the creator himself having to be created many people will say this nullifies the argument of him being able to create the universe.
The Video Game Analogy
I don't necessarily agree with this line of thinking. Take this example. Say I were to create a video game that was fairly realistic and had characters with pretty good AI (artificial intelligence). It would be pretty easy for me being the creator of the video game to choose to allow characters a certain amount of thinking and reasoning. I could choose to allow them to only know about things that exist within the algorithm or physics of the game. I could choose to allow them to know much less than what is in the real world by only giving them 10% of these physics in the game. Even though these more advanced physics exist in my world, the characters of the game with their intelligence capabilities only use 10% of physics/truth to think, reason and progress.
If I could create a video game that limits understanding could not God do the same? And if I could create a video game that uses a different or lesser set of rules/laws/physics wouldn't it be impossible for these game characters to know certain things I didn't want them to know? Would I need to be created to create a video game that uses these laws and would I be bound by these laws I created? Hell no! Why you ask? I can create my own universes all day long and not be subject to the laws of my own creations. This same logic can be applied to God and our universe.
I know, I know, everyone will be telling me but how do you prove that we are in a video game simulation? I am not trying to and can not prove it. I am simply supplying some food for thought. It is totally rational that we could be in some type of "simulation" or "video game" and we are following a certain given set of rules that limit us in one way or another. Just because we can only go so far in this world, doesn't mean somebody else can't.
Conclusion
I really do think that thinking of space in terms of a video game makes things much more clear. The video game is it's own little world of cool things going on, but there is also so much more out there!
I think this example of a video game simulation gives strong merit to God not having to be created for our "creation based" thinking and universe to exist. I really do find it hard to believe that since this universe was created God had to be created. That doesn't make sense to me at all and this is one of the reasons why.
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it should be more like WHAT
it should be more like WHAT CAME FIRST THE HEN OR THE EGG ITS A QUESTION THAT HAS A REPETIVE ANSWER example (to have an egg you need a hen and a rooster but to have a hen or rooster u need a egg) but in the god way its (gods creator needs a creator to and that creator needs one too and so on we will never know
God created this universe
God created this universe and we all leave on tht, lot many peoples ask why he created ? the answer is its for our wish and desire only. There are 84lakhs species in this earth among them 4lakhs are human beings. Its very difficult to get this human body, and one has to thing about God , because he;s our real father and one should never forget. He had created us because he have become impure and so we birth-rebirth again and again then one final day we will get mukti and we will not suffer in this world.. Thing of a flower how beautiful its . do you think it came into existence by itself , it has created by some one why not God? he;s like us but the only difference is he's powerfull , pure and he has the remembrance of past , know further and has control of everything because he's the creator and destructor.
You know one thing all the living beings have sole and that sole is nothing but the minute part of God. If we humans can do research and launch rockets , satellites why cant some one who has the power to create the universe tht you can image its done by God.
There;s a purpose for every thing and nothing can exist itsown. for a grass to wave its controlled and occurring to nature it works and its under control by God's instruction.
You can thing God is done a program which will automatically take care of everything like you can imagine a summer , winder seasons , lunar eclipse etc it will follow some specific pattern and act exactly.
You asked how's is it possible tht he was always there; you know one thing God will be there and he has not death , no rebirth etc like us.. he will be there's with us forever and there's no doubt about tht.
You asked if God created universe then Who created God?
Say if 'X' has created God then who has created 'X' say 'Y' created 'X' then who has created 'Y' like tht there will be no end.. its infinite. Its like does Egg or Hen came first can you tell me tht?? no you cant. similary some things are beyond our thinking
the universe
the universe is not that large how it seem to be to us,its the incapabitity of us that makes us thinking such,everything is as simple as it should be.
definetely its simple but our presence only to be on earth hold our thoughths assuming such.
You bring up an interesting
You bring up an interesting point, though you miss the real question, in theory, perhaps the "viseogame charachters" wanted to know, if the had a creator,who created him/her. I belive there will always be more questions. Supposing god does exist (I'm not saying I belive or don't beive) then if someone created him/her, we would want to know whothier creator was and so on,I,personaly don't think there is an answer...
How would my video game
How would my video game character want to know if he had been created if he wasn't able to reflect that deeply? What if all he could do is process information similar to a computer? Does your computer wonder how it's created? If it does, then you can dumb it down even more.
What I'm trying to get at with my analogy is that you can create the characters anyway you like. They don't all have to have the ability to understand physics. What if you slow their internal CPU down from 20Ghz to 1hz? Don't you think that will have an impact on the way they think? What if you take away the parts of their brain that allow them to reason? What if you take away the emotional parts of them? There are infinite ways on how to create a reality that I find it simply limited to think that our way of thinking is anywhere close to the "truth" of what a creator or all encompassing oneness would "think".
I think you're looking for 3rd dimensional answers to a 4th or higher dimensional question. As Einstein said, "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."
hmm..ive never thought about
hmm..ive never thought about it that way. and i do think about it..even though i feel like i should just respect it and not question. but sometimes my mind cant help but to wonder. i think u made sense.. :-)
Interesting
This is interesting actually and has some good points. This idea is smart because it can be proved correct if somehow we obtain the knoledge but it can never actually be proven incorrect if you think about it. Nice job :)
That is a terrible analogy.
That is a terrible analogy. Regardless of what your characters could discover, you, the creator, were, indeed, created.
You are totally missing the
You are totally missing the point. Regardless of how many sets of rules I put in video games, I am never trapped by those laws. You're saying that things outside of time and matter have death, and it doesn't have to be that way at all. Outside of the video game of time, matter and everything else WE know things don't need a beginning or a creator.
I am not saying, I created a game therefore God created a game. No, I am talking about the laws of the game. If I created laws in a video game I am not limited to those laws, I am above them. If God created this video game he is not trapped by these laws (ie: needing creation). It's really a fairly simple concept :). Re-read the post and put some more thought into it if you need to.
If You Could Hie to Kolob...
If You Could Hie to Kolob:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_you_could_hie_to_Kolob
(There are more versus that open the rabbit hole even wider...But as it stands these will suffice.)
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