Why I believe in God but not Free Will

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Quinton Figueroa

Quinton Figueroa

Los Angeles, CA

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: Good form
8 years 6 months ago

Well thought out and well written :) I"m a fan.


tmelvin: Of Course There's Free Will
8 years 3 months ago

I must agree with part of you perception. I do think it is possible to determine the exact outcome of a situation without the interaction of a human being.

For example, lets say we had the equipment to measure the future based on atoms etc. And lets say the future was that you were to get hurt by a car tomorrow as you skateboarded to work. (heaven forbid) What do you think the chances are of you actually riding your skateboard to work tomorrow will be? Or you even going to work tomorrow? Now, if we were like computers and didn't have free will, this freedom of choice, you would probably end up going skateboarding tomorrow.

I do agree that our God is a good, loving and just God. I believe this for many reasons but I think its better explained in just one. When a righteous man's son does wrong, the father will punish him for his transgressions to help shape his understanding of right and wrong. I feel like God is no different. When we stray from our walk with him, he'll let us know. Think of the Biblical story of Jonah, when he disobeyed the Lord, God sent him a storm to get him back on track.

Last point, which I think is the most meaningful. If there wasn't the possibility of free will then I think you would be suggesting that God intended for some people to go to Hell; for some people not to find him. We both know that the Bible says differently.

The Crazy Australian: Free will and Romans
8 years 3 months ago

"Free will is something that most religious people believe in and most non-religious people don't believe in."

Religious people believe in free-will? Not me. Not John Piper. Not Paul the apostle.

Read Romans. Focus on Romans 9, but the entire book is really needed for context (otherwise its easy to end up with distorted theology).

29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. (Romans 8)

If God is sovereign, we have no free will.

tmelvin: If we didn't have free will,
8 years 3 months ago
@The Crazy Australian (view comment)

If we didn't have free will, things would be a lot different. First off God wouldn't need to send his only son Jesus Christ to pay for OUR MISTAKES. Thats right, our mistakes. God didn't intend for us to make them, and he certainly didn't make us make them. Why would God hold us accountable for sins we were intended to commit? See how preposterous this really is. I believe God is an all knowning sovereign God, that has given us free will.

If we didn't have the ability to do wrong or right, and we were souly doing the things our creator would have us do, then we wouldn't be doing anything wrong. This world would be a lot better place. But that's not the case, I have the ability to make the decisions of the things I want to do. Some of them will probably be bad, some may be good, but they are that of my own. And obviously not decisions of our righteous God.

Also, say you did know the future predicted by this crazy quantom futuristic machine. The machine said that you were going to die on your way to work tomorrow. I don't think you would make the decision be going to work tomorrow, or going anywhere the next day. So you just "changed" the future.

It's your right to believe what you want to believe. I just don't see how you can believe God would intend on his children going to Hell. For him to intend for them to cast out against him. Like it was his plan from the beginning.

Quinton Figueroa: I'm not sure if this is
8 years 3 months ago
@tmelvin (view comment)

I'm not sure if this is directed towards me or the reply you replied to but I will answer this.

I agree with you. Since posting this article I have done a lot more research on this and have come to the conclusion that we as humans do have free will. Where I think I still may differ from people is that I believe God knows exactly everything we will do with precision. If he didn't he would not be omniscient.

Thomas: Agreed
8 years 3 months ago

I agree with you. You're right, a lot of people struggle to grasp the combination of him being all knowning, and us having free will.

The Crazy Australian: It's not certain: Quantum
8 years 3 months ago

While I don't believe in free-will either (at least, not complete free will), I think you have the wrong reasons for your view.

Up until 100 years ago or so, your point about how if "we were able to measure and understand every atomic movement" we could calculate the future would have been accepted as valid (except that the computing time to do that would take more seconds than the universe has been and will be around for - but assuming it were possible for the sake of the argment).

Classical, or Newtonian, physics is deterministic.

What changed?
Quantum physics. There's stacks of stuff to go into, but I'll give a few examples:
Knowing fully the initial conditions of a particle isn't enough to determine it's behaviour - Young's double slit experiment showed that matter also has wave properties - and the wave amplitude at a point shows the probability of a particle passing through that point. Essentially, even if you knew EVERYTHING about a particle travelling towards 2 slits, you couldn't determine which slit it would go through.
My post on this topic has some good videos.

Even more, Heisenberg's uncertainty principle puts limits on how much we can actually know. Essentially, it is impossible to know both the position and velocity of a particle at the same time.

There's more - Schrodinger, superposition ect - quantum physics is very weird, but my point is that science no longer claims to be able to do what it once did: predict everything.

(On a macro scale, such uncertainties average out into the most probable behaviour - but small things like the decay of a single atom can change macro events [eg Schrodinger's cat])

As I said, I don't really believe in free-will - but I don't think your post is proof. (Food for thought - who is in control of the 'uncertainties' and probabilities of quantum mechanics?)

Quinton Figueroa: I have checked out quantum
8 years 3 months ago
@The Crazy Australian (view comment)

I have checked out quantum mechanics and I find it completely fascinating.

Who is in control of the 'uncertainties' and probabilities of quantum mechanics

It would have to be God, at least I think. I am not all the way sure. I have 2 takes on it for the time being:

1. God could be manipulating everything at his will in order to have things done how he wants. I want to emphasize that this does not eliminate our free will as we are too stupid to actually know the outcomes of these manipulations, where He does.

2. God (and to really piss you off ;) "Gods") could have created some type of video game algorithm for humans (this existence) which has holes and bugs in it just as a video game usually does. When you dig deep enough you will find problems or faults.

I lean more towards #1, however, #2 could totally be possible and make sense with everything else still.

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